Intro: [00:00:05] Coming to you live from the Business RadioX studio in Woodstock, Georgia. This is fearless formula with Sharon Cline.

Sharon Cline: [00:00:19] Welcome to Fearless Formula. I’m Business RadioX, where we talk about the ups and downs of the business world and offer words of wisdom for business success. I’m your host, Sharon Cline. And today on the show, we have the owner of a forensic cleaning company, which is so cool. It’s called Fresh Start Biohazard Cleaning Services. They specialize in cleaning up of crime scenes, tear gas deaths and hoarding and virus disinfection. I mean, you kind of cover all the bases here. All the things that nobody wants to touch or that would smell. I love that you’re here. Please welcome. I’m sorry. Constance Payne. Okay. I’m like, Yeah, I’m thinking about murder. Like, that’s in the back of my mind throwing me off a little bit because that’s not been something I’ve focused on here on the show. So I’m so fascinated by what you do because it’s not just that part of your life that’s really interesting and different. You have a whole other aspect which I can’t wait to talk about. So let’s start with your business. How did you get started in this?

Constance Payne: [00:01:19] Well, I started working for a third party company about four years ago. A friend of a friend got me into it because I was looking for work that I could do that was sporadic, that made good money. So I could also be an actor because I can’t really do the 9 to 5 or, you know, it’s really hard to rise in the ranks of a company and then say, Hey, I need two weeks off to go film this movie or I’m going to Europe for a month by. Right. So no, being able to own my own company and take these calls by myself, I can do the things that I want to do.

Sharon Cline: [00:01:52] Well, it’s what people say on the show a lot is how being their own business owner allows for so much more flexibility. And they’d never imagined working for another company where they have a boss. They can make their own hours. But I imagine with yours the hours are probably all over the place because all kinds of things happen day and night.

Constance Payne: [00:02:11] Yeah, yeah, it’s all over the place. It just depends on when somebody wants to make that call and say, All right, I’ve had enough. Or Hey, I’ve discovered my family member is in a jam and they have decided that this is enough or there’s everything is so different. I mean, it comes from hoarding people that have lived in garbage, never thrown it out for about a year or two to maybe people just hoarding certain items and then we go over to the death part of it. If there’s a murder, got to wait for the crime scene to be cleared on that one. Or if somebody’s found discovered dead, they depending on how long they’ve been there, is how hard my job is. I might have to cut a bath, like, you know, gut the bathroom out if they explode in there, you know, because you’re talking like human decomposition. If you’re stuck in a house and your air goes out and all of that for three months straight and you’re just roasting and people don’t know. Yeah, well, honestly, there’s certain cases where I’m like, how the hell did you all not know? I could smell a dead body? The smell of human decomposition is unlike any type of smell you’ve ever smelled in your life. And I could smell the shit from out at the beginning of a subdivision. And people that have been in, like, condo units, you know what I mean?

Sharon Cline: [00:03:29] Yeah, they’re all connected somewhere.

Constance Payne: [00:03:31] Proximity of each other. And. And you think you’d see your neighbors grass getting five feet high, their mail spilling out of their mailbox, Their cars haven’t moved in forever. And you got this horrible stink going on and.

Sharon Cline: [00:03:42] No one said a word.

Constance Payne: [00:03:43] Something might be amiss here, people. But, you know, it just goes back to the general population just being very into themselves and what they’re doing.

Sharon Cline: [00:03:53] I think that’s interesting just in general, thinking about how I think the world is like how I see it often. So I’m in my own world and the world, what gets reflected to me is the way I see the world. But there’s a whole other side that I’m guilty of it.

Constance Payne: [00:04:06] Too, in aspects, you.

Sharon Cline: [00:04:07] Know, like in my.

Constance Payne: [00:04:08] Office for acting. It’s like, I mean, I could it’s a very, very small universe that I live in for that. And I think that’s why I do like the job that I have outside of that with the forensic cleaning, because it reminds me about like being human, you know, and what’s important in life. And that’s one thing that I’ve learned at the end of every day. The only thing that matters is human life and quality of life. Absolutely everything else is bullshit.

Sharon Cline: [00:04:35] Well, I never really thought about how you can draw parallels between what it’s like to be an actor and sort of live a human experience in that way, reflect a human experience, but then also deal with someone else’s end of their human experience and how you can draw. Yeah, draw parallels between the two. I never thought about that.

Constance Payne: [00:04:53] That’s what makes me a good actor. Yeah, because I’m really taking like experiences from my from, from reality here and then just using under imaginary circumstances when I’m on a set and then I can just like really go into something and show some some really good unique emotions.

Sharon Cline: [00:05:10] So I can’t imagine. So how do you deal with what you. Do experience emotion wise in a crime scene or in a clean up situation that you can tell was maybe not a natural death, but maybe something violent or just the energy behind what you’re cleaning.

Constance Payne: [00:05:25] Yeah, really. Honestly, it doesn’t matter if something’s violent, Like there’s so many different words you can use to describe so many different scenes depending on the circumstances and all of that. And, you know, the first thing I got to do is just emotionally close myself off and do my job because I can’t be crying.

Sharon Cline: [00:05:42] Right.

Constance Payne: [00:05:42] Right. I can’t be crying. And I got to be able to do my job. Remember line item, how to do it, you know, for sanitation purposes and get on out of there. And then I deal with that later. Okay. So I’ll do some gardening. I lift weights, you know, hit the hit the heavy bag.

Sharon Cline: [00:06:00] You turn it to a positive.

Constance Payne: [00:06:02] Yeah, Yeah. For as much as death is a part of my life, I like to watch things grow. I’ve got, you know, a couple animals and stuff like that, too.

Sharon Cline: [00:06:09] And Garden.

Constance Payne: [00:06:10] Garden. And then I also like to shoot guns and run around topless in the forest, you know?

Sharon Cline: [00:06:16] About what time does that happen? I’m just curious.

Constance Payne: [00:06:18] 4:00, You know, cocktail hour.

Sharon Cline: [00:06:23] Where exactly would this be? Yeah, see.

Constance Payne: [00:06:25] I mean, my my decompression techniques might not work for everyone, but this is what works for me. Don’t knock it till you try it, everyone. Well, I think.

Sharon Cline: [00:06:34] Also it makes you. It’s a unique personality that can handle the kind of job that you’re doing as well. Right. So, I mean, whatever works for you to make this so that it’s a cathartic experience as opposed to one that brings your spirit down and has negative effects of your life. Sounds positive.

Constance Payne: [00:06:48] To me. Oh, yeah, yeah. And not to say that there aren’t like some really hard days. And, you know, sometimes I might not say nothing for a couple of days, you know, which makes personal relationships a little strenuous and stuff like that. I guess it’s more or less. I’m the type of person where it’s like, Hey, how was your day? Fine. Like. Like, why can’t that be an okay answer, knowing what I do for a living and that just leave it at that.

Sharon Cline: [00:07:14] Are you not allowed to talk about certain things? No.

Constance Payne: [00:07:16] I mean, I can talk about whatever I want. There are certain things I personally don’t. I mean, I could talk to you about in depth about other items off of air. Right. You know, for there’s a lot of different reasons. There’s a lot that goes into what I do. You know, did you.

Sharon Cline: [00:07:33] Have to get certified, obviously. What was the process in order to be someone that could have a business like this?

Constance Payne: [00:07:38] There’s a lot of online certifications and stuff like that. Just like with everything in business, everything has to be up to OSHA standards. So, you know, there’s in-person classes, there’s online certificates, and then every year you got to read up on them and pay your money and stuff like that. I got a lot of my blood cleanup experience when I was in my early 20s. I was a tattoo artist, and so that cross-contamination was really beat into my head. It’s like it doesn’t matter how many gloves you got to use in a day, you know, like you use them all the time. You use them all the time. You take them off if there’s even a question and, you know, just just being all around clean.

Sharon Cline: [00:08:15] Right, Right. So, okay, so you were able to get your certification you used to live, I want to say, is it Indiana that you’re from?

Constance Payne: [00:08:22] That’s where I was born.

Sharon Cline: [00:08:23] Where you were born. Okay. How did you come here?

Constance Payne: [00:08:25] Well, from northwest Indiana, I was down in Texas for a little bit, met and lived with my dad for a little and started doing radio while I was tattooing and stuff.

Sharon Cline: [00:08:37] What did you do with radio?

Constance Payne: [00:08:39] I was a it was on I was on a morning show. Well, first I was a bone babe for Cumulus Radio, and that’s where I met Dan Aykroyd and everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was. It was a very good, fun time in my life. And then I started being on a morning show in Alabama. I was the chick on the all male show.

Sharon Cline: [00:08:58] How was that? I need to know.

Constance Payne: [00:08:59] It was fun. I mean, I had a good time, a lot of laughter. It’s just Alabama Rocket City was not there wasn’t enough going on for me at that point in my life. And so then I went down to Daytona Beach. I had some friends and family out there and started tattooing again, started rocking out and became an actor. I mean, I’ve just done so many different things. It’s all gotten me where I’m at today. And you know, any type of business I’ve owned or worked for has helped shape the way that I do things today. And I haven’t always made the best, you know, the best choices in business. But I have learned from my mistakes. Sure. And I’m proud of that.

Sharon Cline: [00:09:40] Well, I mean, that’s to me, it’s not a mistake.

Constance Payne: [00:09:42] Well, yeah, exactly. It’s a lesson. And so when people ask me for asking for acting tips right now, too, and like there’s no book for that, all you can do is anytime I’ve done it, I do a lot of mixed martial arts, too. And so I’m really into cross training. And I take that type of lesson into every element and aspect of my life is that everywhere you go, people are going to do things a little bit different the way or totally different. And it’s good to learn all the different ways that everybody does stuff and learn all the different types of personality. And people that do it and then pick what works for you and just do that well.

Sharon Cline: [00:10:18] Even being able to identify with different personality types and different aspects of people can help you, I imagine, as an actor as well.

Constance Payne: [00:10:24] Oh, absolutely. I love going down the rabbit hole of of different businesses and unique personalities, just talking to people as much as I’m I was talking to you about this off air. I’m an introverted extrovert. As much as I’m like, I can’t get a conversation started. If somebody comes up and says hi to me, Oh, we can talk all day.

Sharon Cline: [00:10:41] Long, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Constance Payne: [00:10:43] But I can’t just go up to somebody that I’ve never spoken to before in my life and say anything. You know how hard it is to get a.

Sharon Cline: [00:10:51] Date like that? Yes, I do. I’m very familiar. I’m the same in that I need as much time where I’m interacting as as I do quiet because it like refills my spirit in some way. I like both, but I’m not like exactly an introvert. I’m not exactly an extrovert, but I think like things like this to me feel like I get the best of both worlds because we’re, you know, using media to be out there in the world, which has extroversion to it. But here we are, just the two of us having like a little chit chat, like the energy is super calm because it’s just you and me, which is nice. Yeah. Okay. I just went down a little bit of a rabbit hole. Oh, no, no, no.

Constance Payne: [00:11:26] And we get like, you know, and that’s the thing too. It’s like with with acting between acting and the forensic cleaning, I get enough excitement there, you know, like, I want to go hang out in the forest after that or plant my garden.

Sharon Cline: [00:11:39] Something wonderful and calm about trees. And because I love trees, I love I have like a little bit of a woods in the back of my yard. And I have to say that some of the calming times that I have is being quiet outside, just listening to nature, and it’s amazing how it calms my spirit down. So yeah, I think that sometimes makes me feel more spiritual than like a spiritual, actual building, you know.

Constance Payne: [00:12:01] Just being in nature.

Sharon Cline: [00:12:02] Yeah, yeah, totally. I get you, girl. So you also do method acting? I do? Yeah. What is that like?

Constance Payne: [00:12:08] Well, I got my own thing, you know, like, there’s certain types of method actors out there. Like, some, they’ll. They’ll be in character are all on set from the you know what I mean. Or for months on end and I don’t do that I mean not knocking that that works for other people that’s cool. But me personally, I just do a lot of character research and development and, you know, I kind of create my own version of this character. I’ll talk to the director a whole lot or the writer and really get a good idea before I’m on set of who this person is, you know, because they’re only giving you certain details that you can pull out of the script. And if the script is written well, then you’ve got all this foreshadowing and you know all these things that you can work with. Yeah. To build an actual person and a unique character versus just being a body that moves and talks, right?

Sharon Cline: [00:12:58] Like if you embody it.

Constance Payne: [00:12:59] Yeah, yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:13:00] But you also do stunts.

Constance Payne: [00:13:02] Yeah, I do stunts.

Sharon Cline: [00:13:03] Is that why also you’re doing, you’re into like the fitness.

Constance Payne: [00:13:06] Part of it. Yeah. That’s why I do a lot of fitness and MMA stuff and I lift heavy a lot. I’m boxing and jujitsu based martial artist, and so I’ve done a lot of my fight choreography for a lot of the lower budget films and everything that I do. And I mean, I think it’s fun. Oh, you got to see this one. I get my face smashed in the dirt in this mud pole. We were supposed to be doing something else. And then the rain started coming and we’re like, Oh, hell, all right. And I was like, We’ll just set this this scene up outside my producer’s house. We got a wood pile. I’ll just start chopping. So we just came up with something on the fly and we start wrestling around in the mud. And I was telling the guy who was a new guy I was working with, and I was like, All right, I want you to grab me by the back of my hair and fucking stuff me down in there, right? And and so it was a real fun scene. And like, I had mud in my teeth and it was yeah, it was. It was a good time. And I didn’t really we didn’t think things through. And so then I’m like butt naked in my producer’s backyard getting hosed off by the coldest water hose ever. We’re all just laughing. I’m like, So, you know, being on set is fun. You know, You never know. Every every day is a unique surprise. Like.

Sharon Cline: [00:14:17] It’s so funny. I’m trying to imagine this and they must love you because you’re diverse. You have like, skills that they really value, I imagine.

Constance Payne: [00:14:23] Oh yeah, I’m useful in a lot of different ways because I mean, I’m really popular in the indie market right now. I’m working my way up and everything, and I have a small production company based out of Calhoun that that I do a lot of work out of. So we do like little short little like, you know, anywhere between 5 and 10 minute type of real material for other actors and stuff.

Sharon Cline: [00:14:45] So it’s so fun.

Constance Payne: [00:14:46] Yeah, it is fun. I mean, I have a great time being an actor no matter what I’m playing like and we’re doing a lot of different types of characters for me right now. Like before it was always like, Oh, this former military, you know, badass. Yeah, mercenary, all the or FBI agent, all that kind of stuff. And, and now, you know, I paid an assault victim not that long ago and, oh, I just got booked on a music video. I get to. I get to kiss a really hot chick. Yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:15:13] Yeah. What video? We have to see this. You have to send me links. I’ll send.

Constance Payne: [00:15:17] You links. I’ll send you links. Awesome. It’s a Brazilian artist. She’s, like, super awesome. I like her music, and I’m a little judgy when it comes to people making original music. I really like her music. It’s got this nice, creepy kind of sounds. I think like Beetlejuice Nightmare before Christmas type of cool. Yeah, but with a little poppy unfitness. It’s so weird.

Sharon Cline: [00:15:39] But how nice that you get to be part of something you actually really like.

Constance Payne: [00:15:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, that’s the thing. It’s like, I, like, I fit in this. I’m. It’s. I’m a genre in its own like. And that’s why I dress the way that I dress and, and I don’t cover up my tattoos anywhere I go. Because if you don’t like me, by the way that I look, then you’re not my people. And I don’t want to do business with you anyway. Exactly. And I’m not going to be baking muffins on any Hallmark movie channel or anything like that.

Sharon Cline: [00:16:03] I was reading a little bit about your story about how initially people gave you a hard time about your tattoos. You’ll never succeed in this business.

Constance Payne: [00:16:10] Oh yeah. I heard a lot of things from acting teachers when I first started. And, you know, that was that was the main one that they were like, Oh, no, you have too many tattoos. Nobody’s ever going to hire you. And not only saying that, but like looking at me like I’m a piece of garbage when they do it. So weird, so judgy. Yeah. And I was the first person hired out of that class, and I was hired for a lead role in in a YouTube series that’s got 2.9 million views on it. Oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. So it’s really weird how. And now here I’m at in my career, I got a film called Adrenaline. I filmed out in Europe two years ago and I filmed it with Louis Mandylor from the Debt Collector. Oh my. Yeah, Louis and Costas were in that movie and I’m the leading lady in it as an FBI agent. Dun dun, duh. You know, and and it’s right now it’s running the European train. Right now it’s in Japan. Brazil. It just got released in Germany and just here in America shortly.

Sharon Cline: [00:17:11] You’re all over the world.

Constance Payne: [00:17:12] Yeah. Yeah, It’s been. It’s been. It’s cool. And. And then I just hang out here in little Woodstock. I know, right? I’m like.

Sharon Cline: [00:17:19] That’s so conservative compared to like, considering what you do in your genre and what you’re interested in and how you present yourself like it still works for you. Everything falls into place for you. That’s so cool though, because you’re being your authentic self.

Constance Payne: [00:17:32] Yeah, exactly. And you know, like a lot of my good friends, they’re all like senior citizens and stuff like that. Like, I, I.

Sharon Cline: [00:17:41] I love it, though.

Constance Payne: [00:17:42] Yeah. I mean, I’m like, I’m wholesome, but deadly.

Sharon Cline: [00:17:46] You’re on both sides of the spectrum. I feel like I am, too, because I’m kind of like I have, like I was saying, I’m a bit introverted, but I’m a bit extroverted. I have a rebellious side to me, but I also like to fit in. I have like, I’m I don’t know what I am. I I’m a radio host at the moment though.

Constance Payne: [00:18:02] Yeah, I would say. And you know what? That’s okay. Yeah. I don’t know what I was this morning, but then I realized that I was still stuck in this body. So. Yeah. So we do make the best of it. We work with what we have.

Sharon Cline: [00:18:15] All right. So how did you get into the acting industry here in Atlanta? So you started were you in Daytona first?

Constance Payne: [00:18:20] Yeah, I was in Daytona and I was going through my first divorce. I know that sounds like a fucking loser right there. No, it doesn’t.

Sharon Cline: [00:18:27] This is like the state of the way things are. I think the stronger we get, the harder it is to put up with a lot of things that don’t work. So I just think that’s the way the state of women in general.

Constance Payne: [00:18:36] Yeah. So, yeah, so I was on number one and we were going through a divorce and I and I decided I wanted something for myself. I’d spent so many years dedicated to his company helping make that grow and all that and, and being taken advantage of. So I started taking this acting class. That was the one I told you about that I got hired out of that. They told me that I wouldn’t be able to succeed.

Sharon Cline: [00:18:57] I would I would think about that every day. I think I would have so much pleasure out of knowing what really happened. Girl, I’ve.

Constance Payne: [00:19:03] Actually only taken, like, two acting classes in my whole life. Yeah, that’s another thing I don’t do. Like, there’s like, this whole list of things that they tell actors to do here in Atlanta. They have to have this. You have to do that. And if you don’t do this and you don’t do that, nobody will ever take you seriously. And I don’t do any of that stuff. I just yeah, I’m like totally against the core. I don’t even think my website is functional right now for my acting, and I don’t care because I get scripts in the mail all the time. Like I’m, you know, I’ll do some auditions here and there, but they’re really high level auditions. I’m not doing any, you know, basic stuff here. But then most parts people just send me a message like, Hey, here’s a script, here’s the part read for this. Are you interested? It’s always lead co-lead or a very strong supporting. And you know, because with budgets and movies like under $2 million that’s that’s considered ultra low budget. Wow. Yeah, I know, right?

Sharon Cline: [00:20:00] Yes. For me too. So yeah.

Constance Payne: [00:20:02] I know.

Sharon Cline: [00:20:03] For my life. I can’t imagine.

Constance Payne: [00:20:04] I can’t wait to say that at my company. Yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:20:08] We’re low budget. I know. It’s such disrespect. But I can’t imagine what’s considered like a mid-budget what’s considered a high budget.

Constance Payne: [00:20:17] Anything over 2 million? Yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:20:19] I suppose that’s true. I want specifics. Well, but that’s interesting because really people are coming to you. You don’t have to go out there and try to sell yourself in some ways, like I’m sure actors do, like I do with auditioning for voice over work. That’s kind of like a sale, like I’m trying to sell myself.

Constance Payne: [00:20:35] I mean, I do and I don’t, I guess like Facebook, I’m friends with a lot of people on Facebook, so my network is really there, most of my directors and producers and, you know, and I’ll go to certain events that actors typically don’t go to. Like I went to the AFM this last year, the American Film Market in Santa Monica, and there was a really good move. I met a lot of people making a lot of movies and a lot of people want to put me in their movies, you know? And it’s not like it’s really a distribution festival. It’s not something that actors, unless you were in the movie and your company made it or whatever, you’re not really there.

Sharon Cline: [00:21:09] But that’s thinking outside the box.

Constance Payne: [00:21:11] Yeah. And I just like met everybody. I cut the line, you know what I mean? Like, these are all the people selling their movies, all the directors, and these are the people that I wanted to say hi and not have to stand in a line to possibly, you know, work my way through all these auditions for years to maybe eventually work with you if I get so lucky, Right?

Sharon Cline: [00:21:33] Because really, I mean, I know that you have a unique look and a unique sound. Everything’s cool. But there is there’s got to be a level of competition that you’re always thinking, okay, this person could have potentially had this part.

Constance Payne: [00:21:45] Glad I got it. Honestly, I don’t really care. I mean, if somebody love that. Yeah, like if somebody else gets a job, there’s nobody that I have personally met that looks similar to me. There might be other like females with tattoos. They don’t have them the way that I have mine. They’re not as buff as me, girl. I’m a I’m a big little lady. All right? I’m breaking at 125 pounds. Five foot four. Constance Payne is the destroyer. So, you know, like, I am who I am, and people there are. They’re going to like it and hire me or they’re going to get somebody else. But, you know, I go all in when I do stuff. I’m fun to work around. I’m not I know when to shut up. I’ve been on a couple of sets where people just don’t stop. Really. Yeah, Yeah. And it’s really hard.

Sharon Cline: [00:22:37] I’ve heard that one of the things that I’ve learned through voice over work in particular is when you’re working with directors or script writers, people who are who are making the copy. If you’re a pleasant person to work with and for it’s such a different like people will come back to me because it was easy, you know, as opposed to working with someone who may sound a little bit different or whatever. If there’s any resistance there, they don’t want to go down that road. Y y you know, it’s so nice to have a nice experience. So I was happy to hear that you feel like that’s a valuable asset.

Constance Payne: [00:23:09] Oh, absolutely. I mean, that’s I mean, that’s I mean, shit. I prefer to work with people that are easy, like in film. Like, there’s. I mean, like I said, we got a little mini mini company and there’s certain people that I will never hire again and people that have been friends with and it just because, like while you’re cool to have a cup of coffee with on set you I can’t do you and I found it like personally insulting because here I am giving somebody an opportunity by being in one of my films and being opposite of me. And. And you’re acting the way that you’re acting. And that’s insulting because you clearly have no idea how hard I work to do what I do.

Sharon Cline: [00:23:50] It is a disrespect because you are providing an opportunity that someone would have worked extremely hard to get.

Constance Payne: [00:23:56] Oh yeah, you cut the line and you disrespect me.

Sharon Cline: [00:24:01] That sounds like a movie quote.

Constance Payne: [00:24:02] Yeah, I’m just glad that we’re only concentrating on little like 5 to 10 minute spots right now because we are. We’ve got a couple features coming up next year that we’re partnering up with people on and they will not be involved in those, you know, and I’d rather have you fuck up on a small one than really show your ass on something big and there’d be an actual problem here.

Sharon Cline: [00:24:25] I can’t imagine. So it’s interesting. You’ve got like friends that you can not work with but be friends with. Yeah, but then you’ve got people that you work with, I’m sure in this industry where you’re like, We couldn’t be friends. Glad to work with you. You know?

Constance Payne: [00:24:37] Uh, you know, it’s kind of funny on that one. Me I don’t really want to work with in the film industry. Like, you know, with forensics, I’m always going to work with all types of crazy people and, you know, all like, all different levels of personality. And that’s that’s what I find interesting about that occupation. But in film, I can choose. I definitely can because I want to always have a good experience on set. I don’t want to be arguing with anybody. You know, you can’t ruin the tone on set. And that’s what I didn’t like about, you know, certain people I’ve worked with in the past is that now half of my acting ability is going. Towards trying to keep the set at a certain tone. Otherwise you’re going to shut down for real. And this whole day has been wasted. You know, it’s thousands of dollars down the toilet because you want to have a moment? Yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:25:27] So how is how realistic are forensic shows?

Constance Payne: [00:25:32] It depends on which one you’re watching.

Sharon Cline: [00:25:33] Okay. What would you say is the most realistic?

Constance Payne: [00:25:35] I would say the Samuel L Jackson movie, The Cleaner, was a very. How everything’s broken down and, you know, suiting up and very, very on point with that. So if you’re looking for something new age, that kind of gives you an idea. I would say that for sure.

Sharon Cline: [00:25:54] So what is not realistic?

Constance Payne: [00:25:58] Well, you know, it’s funny you say that. We were shooting a commercial for the forensics company a couple of weeks ago, and I was on the phone with my other producers, and they were like, All right, well, we’ll interview you and we’ll set up a scene. We’ll have like, you know what we’ll do, like the chalk outline and then maybe throw a leg in there. And I was like, I was like, That’s so Hollywood and like old school Hollywood to I don’t even remember the last time I saw a chalk line. Was that like Alfred Hitchcock? You know, like, what are we.

Sharon Cline: [00:26:32] Who are you trying to target here?

Constance Payne: [00:26:33] Negative. Negative, negative. We are not doing that. And there’s not going to be a whole leg, though. I mean, I have found you know, I did find a I find interesting things sometimes, but it was a little excessive what they were asking. So we just went with the pool, a standard pool of blood. And then I made some some chunks of skull and teeth out of clay real quick and tossed those. Yeah, toss those in there and just set up my crime scene tape.

Sharon Cline: [00:26:59] And is there anything you’re afraid of? Like when you go on to a job site, are you ever afraid of what you’re going to see?

Constance Payne: [00:27:06] I mean, I’ve I’ve seen a lot and I’ve seen it all. I mean, I would say, like when when cats or rats pop out of nowhere and they’ll spook, you know, you’re already kind of you’re in this cryptic environment already and now now throw like animals flailing around that are, you know, disgusting. Yeah. You know, you know, that’ll be like, ah. But then I’m like, oh, okay. That was just an ugly cat.

Sharon Cline: [00:27:31] I didn’t think you were going to say that. I didn’t think you were like, you know, the jump scare moment I was thinking.

Constance Payne: [00:27:36] About the only thing that scares me.

Sharon Cline: [00:27:37] Yeah, I would say I think it’s something else. I don’t know what. Just the notion of like, what you’re actually interacting with and and what happened behind what you’re interacting with. I don’t know.

Constance Payne: [00:27:46] No, I mean, I do think about all those things sometimes, you know, when I when I’ll take up stuff from 33rd party companies, I don’t know until I’m there until like I kind of discover and go through it until like the end. So that mystery of figuring out, Oh, that’s how this went down. And they feel, Oh, whoa.

Sharon Cline: [00:28:07] Okay, interesting. How many jobs do you do? Like a week? A month? Is it all the time constant.

Constance Payne: [00:28:13] It’s it’s sporadic. It’s all over the place. Like, I can I can I might work, like two, three weeks solid, you know, like, depending, like, let’s say there’s a big horde and a bunch of dead bodies in between on other calls. You know what I mean? Like it. It’s so all over the place. Or, you know, if I’m going to be on set, then I’ve got somebody else to kind of cover for me and take calls. But I mean, it’s hard. I think there’s something in the moon and the stars, too, with it. I know that sounds weird. We were just.

Sharon Cline: [00:28:38] Talking about that before the show, that sometimes things just happen. It just.

Constance Payne: [00:28:42] Happens. It’s like it’ll be like Murder week or Suicide Week. You know what I mean? It’s just. It’s very.

Sharon Cline: [00:28:48] Interesting. So, yeah. Is it Christmas time where things tend to pick up, you know, how there are like themes that there are moments that are more emotional during certain parts of the year or something like that?

Constance Payne: [00:28:58] Yeah, there’s I mean, it depends. It’s very like I said it each month does its own weird thing.

Sharon Cline: [00:29:05] Wild Do you ever see something on the news where you’re like, Oh, that’s the whole story behind what I cleaned up?

Constance Payne: [00:29:10] Yeah. And it usually aligns with what I’ve seen or sometimes, you know, like my, my buddies at the, you know, the police department or the sheriff’s office or fire department or whatever, they’ll they’ll tell me what happened.

Sharon Cline: [00:29:24] Interesting, because. Okay, so I know it’s.

Constance Payne: [00:29:26] Not I’m sorry. Sometimes I get a totally different version from the homeowner.

Sharon Cline: [00:29:30] Oh, no, really.

Constance Payne: [00:29:32] I’ve had people tell me I don’t live here and their mail is their name in the mail is everywhere. Oh, they know. You’re kidding.

Sharon Cline: [00:29:37] Yeah. Yeah, that’s crazy.

Constance Payne: [00:29:39] Yeah, it’s so weird.

Sharon Cline: [00:29:41] Like, flat out lies.

Constance Payne: [00:29:42] Flat out like I wasn’t going to know somebody stole all your mail and hid it in this house, lady. Like.

Sharon Cline: [00:29:50] So you deal with personality types all the time.

Constance Payne: [00:29:53] Everybody’s mentally sick in some kind of capacity, You know, It just depends on the level what you’re dealing with. Some people just get sad. You know, some people, their loved one dies, their partner dies, and then they get a depression room or depression house, as I like to call it. And and then one day they finally decide that they’ve had enough. Up in there. They’re ready to move forward in life, and that’s when I step in.

Sharon Cline: [00:30:16] So how many other companies are out there like yours, even in this Woodstock area? Because I see that you I typed it out. You service Cherokee Cobb, Bartow, DeKalb, Gwinnett, Fulton, Clayton, Henry, Fayette, Douglas and Forsyth Counties. That’s many counties.

Constance Payne: [00:30:33] Yeah, that’s everybody. So anybody that’ll call. I mean, it depends. I mean, the drive time and everything depends because I’ve got two service vehicles, I’ve got a big old truck and then I got a little car for zipping around. So, like, that’s what I keep. Everything just depends. Sometimes I might just need a bucket, you know, full of some gear. Sometimes I got to pull out the heavy equipment. Just disposing of mattresses, furniture, all You know, it’s every unique case. Yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:31:03] So how much does what you see visually in your business affect how you help out or influence your acting career? In other words, like, if you know what something genuinely, really looks like as a crime scene and you go on to a set and you’re like, None of this looks even remotely normal.

Constance Payne: [00:31:21] Well, yeah. And that’s what I like about the acting community now, is like everybody’s wanting to get the realistic look. They just don’t know what it is in certain types of things, which I mean, I think it’s kind of funny. It’s like if you’re going to write a movie about like military personnel or detectives that maybe you might want to have a former on staff for writing, you know what I mean? For dialog purposes.

Sharon Cline: [00:31:44] I heard they had someone like that on like E.R. They had someone like, I don’t know if it was Michael Crichton or whoever it was, but someone who had like a real MD.

Constance Payne: [00:31:52] Yeah. Understanding of what we’re doing here today.

Sharon Cline: [00:31:55] It’s not going to be super fake, you know, it can actually have an element of realism to it. And that’s another.

Constance Payne: [00:32:00] Thing about preparing for yourself for, for set. Like if, if I were to cast somebody as an attorney and put them in one of my movies and I don’t see any and you do your research by watching other television shows versus doing your own personal research on your own reconnaissance. I can tell the difference that is being lazy, like, you know, interesting or being motivated.

Sharon Cline: [00:32:24] What’s your favorite acting job that you’ve gotten?

Constance Payne: [00:32:31] I mean, I guess you’d have to be more specific on the question of like just the content or I mean.

Sharon Cline: [00:32:36] How about this? What has been the most satisfying acting job that you’ve had where you were just like you left, you finished it, you were just like, Damn, that is why I’m here on this planet, is to have moments like this, jobs like this.

Constance Payne: [00:32:48] Well, I was butt naked, covered in blood on the streets of Miami about four years ago doing this film called Sadie.

Sharon Cline: [00:32:57] Like they they had.

Constance Payne: [00:32:59] Closed off this street in the like, we’re outside. Okay? It’s like between the hours of ten and four in the morning. And I spent that entire time covered in corn sirup and coagulated blood taking a stroll through hell. And I was very I found it very liberating, especially when we’re, like, wrapping up and I’m in this bathtub in the middle of an alley. You know, they’ve got it lit all like funky and stuff. And. And this truck driver, No, he drives by ever so. And he had his phone up and he was filming me and I’m like, just sitting there and I’m just covered in blood and I’m waving. You know, there’s a lot of good moments on that. I actually chased after the goat, too, because every, you know, at the gates of hell, there’s always a goat. And they took the rope off of of him against the advice of the goat handler. And then the goat took off. And I’m the only athlete on set. So now here I am, butt naked, covered in blood, running down the streets of Miami after a fucking goat.

Sharon Cline: [00:34:02] Not many people can say that. Definitely not been said on our show before. I think that’s amazing. Yeah.

Constance Payne: [00:34:07] I mean, I saved the goat, you know? And that was really fun. Like, I don’t think I’ve ever saved anything in real life on set before. Since then.

Sharon Cline: [00:34:14] Well, if you weren’t an athlete, that goat might have, like, really been out there today.

Constance Payne: [00:34:19] We would have owed somebody $350. I think that’s what the going rate you know how hard it was to find a goat down in Miami because of Santeria. Everybody’s looking at us like we’re crazy, like we’re going to murder this goat or something. And I was like, I swear, it’s just the movie. We’re not going to hurt the goat like.

Sharon Cline: [00:34:36] But they don’t know for sure.

Constance Payne: [00:34:38] But they don’t know because yeah, because we’re all flying in from LA. Like.

Sharon Cline: [00:34:44] Oh God, I like people I don’t even know. I don’t know what it’s like. But I can imagine, like if you’re, if you were to go back into your, into your history as well of acting like, is there a job where you’re like, I wish I had never signed up to do this position or this role?

Constance Payne: [00:34:57] Yeah, yeah. I’m not going to mention the title of it because that director is a piece of garbage. This is all over $300. And it was just a very I could tell that the director was chauvinist because, you know, it was one of those I’m a director, writer, producer, and I get his script and, and all the all the women in the script, they would always just follow the men around and agree with them all the time. And in what society does that ever happen? Okay.

Sharon Cline: [00:35:24] Fantasy land. Yeah.

Constance Payne: [00:35:25] The women just they were just like, oh, yes, yeah. Oh, no, you know? And so I could tell it was a chauvinist from, from the script writing and you know, that he didn’t know what he was doing. And I’m like, okay, whatever. You’re going to do this low budget film. And, and I went ahead and I did it. And and he was just really rude. Just this was like six, seven years ago. So it’s just very condescending, very rude. And then all out, he just didn’t flat out didn’t pay me three, you know, $300. And he must have forged my signature on the thing because you can’t get distribution in the film industry without all signed signatures from from actors. And there was a bunch of other people that had complained that they hadn’t been paid and that they also did not sign any type of contract or anything. And now he’s on a second film. So I’m just kind of letting this sit back because, I mean, my name is a I’m a registered trademark.

Sharon Cline: [00:36:19] Are you like an R?

Constance Payne: [00:36:20] Yeah, I’ve got the R with the little circle. Yeah. Really? Yeah. That’s amazing. Yeah. For acting and my clothing and my jewelry and stuff like that.

Sharon Cline: [00:36:28] Like, we could talk all day. Yeah, we could.

Constance Payne: [00:36:30] We could talk all day.

Sharon Cline: [00:36:31] That’s like, a whole other side I didn’t know about. That’s so.

Constance Payne: [00:36:33] Cool. Yeah. So I’m just kind of sitting back on that one and waiting until it’s actually relevant.

Sharon Cline: [00:36:38] Interesting. What do you think people don’t know about the acting industry that you think, okay, here’s my chance to really tell people some things that I’ve learned.

Constance Payne: [00:36:47] Well, I would have to say that I definitely don’t have to sleep with anybody to get where I’m at. I think that I find that like a very common thing. People, you know, when they meet me, they’re always like, Oh, you must, you know, Oh, are they looking at me like I haven’t busted my ass to do this? Now, there might be stories from back in the day where women had done that. And however, whatever, whatever as you, as you. But for, for people to just, you know, think that just because you’re in this industry that that you got to sleep your way up to the top compromise yourself. Yeah it’s just not true. Like people hire me because I’m a badass female and that’s what they’re looking for. They’re looking for, you know, some, some some fight moves and some feistiness. And I don’t have to sleep with anybody to get where I’m going. You know why? Because they write me a fucking paycheck, right? Right. You know, like. Like that. That’s.

Sharon Cline: [00:37:37] There’s your proof.

Constance Payne: [00:37:38] There you go. Yeah. And I guess, you know, in my most recent failed marriage, it was it was hard towards the end of that because I fly out a lot. You know, you got people paying for my my flights, my hotel rooms. They’re paying my salary for the week to one month that I’m on a set. And here he was thinking, I’m on vacation. Like I’m literally working from the time my plane lands to the time it goes up. I don’t. And if I’m not working and busting my ass on set, I’m exhausted and hiding in my hotel room. Right.

Sharon Cline: [00:38:11] So this the divided life feeling where you have your life, but then there’s a perception of what your life is really like.

Constance Payne: [00:38:17] Exactly. And I mean, I do a good job of showing because there’s a lot of great things about it. You know what I mean? I love my life, you know, But it’s not every single day I’m not doing lingerie photo shoots, you know what I mean? Getting my hair styled and, you know, makeup put on by Betty. Like, I’m not, you know, I’m not doing all that. When I do have those moments, it’s fun and I enjoy them. And we’re doing it for work and, you know, and we all have a good time doing it. And then the other half of the time I might be in somebody’s hoarding house shithole, having a piss in my own coffee cup because I ain’t hovering over that. Right.

Sharon Cline: [00:38:56] What a diverse life. Yeah, but have you had to deal? I know we talked just briefly. You mentioned about a director being pretty misogynistic, but have you had to deal with much of what’s considered the MeToo movement? Have you had have you had issues in that way in the in your acting career?

Constance Payne: [00:39:13] I haven’t had anybody. I think people I’m apparently I’m intimidating. I’m a bit intimidating. I’ve had people verbally try to test the waters. I could tell, you know what I mean? You can tell. And I always direct a conversation very quickly, especially when I pick up on one of those hints of somebody trying to gear it towards that way. Like when if a new director or producer hits me up on online and I could tell they don’t know how to have a conversation with me, the first thing I say is, All right, cool. You know, if you’d like to see my reels and resume, let me know. I can drop them to you here. If you shoot me your email address, I can send it there. And either, yeah, let it be. And either they’ll, they’ll say, Yeah, I’d love to see your stuff. Send it here, send it there or they don’t respond. And if they don’t respond well.

Sharon Cline: [00:40:03] Then you know.

Constance Payne: [00:40:04] Then I know, I don’t.

Sharon Cline: [00:40:06] Know why. I just sort of assumed it was very pervasive and everyone has to deal with it for some reason in my mind.

Constance Payne: [00:40:12] I mean, there’s a community, a very small community here and there, and it’s really about the the women that I’ve seen have those experiences. They’re they’re coming from a sense of desperation and wanting to be liked and and move ahead. And so they’re not seeing the signs of somebody with their bullshit.

Sharon Cline: [00:40:33] Do you think there’s an energy around that kind of an actor that is like, I will do whatever just so that I can like, I’ll get to know you and I’ll be close to you and I’ll do whatever I can.

Constance Payne: [00:40:42] Yeah. Or thinking that that this person is, is it at all valuable to their career and worth pursuing in any type of professional way, personal, professional, whatever way. But, you know, you have to identify what value does that have, Does that person have towards your goals and where you’re getting at in life? And, you know, I mean, I surround myself by good people who do what they say they’re going to do in the timely manner that they allow themselves or that I kind of have to be like, Oh, I’ll have it done next week. I’m like, Ah, I know you won’t till the end of the month, but that’s fine, you know, At least I know, but not ever getting that task done. That says something about your work ethic. Exactly. And it’s not because, oh, you got a million things to do and you’re so busy. Well, aren’t we motherfucking all? You know, that’s really presumptuous of you to think that you’re the busiest person in Woodstock or in Atlanta, Georgia, or these United States of the world, for that matter.

Sharon Cline: [00:41:37] We all have the same amount of time, right? Yeah.

Constance Payne: [00:41:39] We all got 24 hours in a day. And, you know, just like hitting the gym. I’ve had to wake up earlier sometimes and move my schedule around this way or that way to be able to to, to hit, you know, the amount of hours that I need to look, the way that I need to look for whatever I got coming up. Like right now I’m doing a weight cut. You know, I spent three hours jogging yesterday out in the hot sun. Yeah. And oh, I’m waddling. I’m modeling today. Yeah.

Sharon Cline: [00:42:04] Like you are. You look good. You look like you’re super strong, ready to take everything on, which is probably like a good thing, right?

Constance Payne: [00:42:09] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, at any any given moment, if. If the situation were to arise. Stand back. I’ve got it.

Sharon Cline: [00:42:17] Like. But how interesting. You have to really mold yourself to be whatever. I mean I know that’s what an actor does, but I’ve never really spoken to someone who actually is doing something actively well.

Constance Payne: [00:42:26] There are certain things like some people, they’re like, they don’t. They just like, This is the way I look and. That’s it. You know, and I’m that goes along with the method. Part of the acting is that I like to embody myself and, you know, always changing my looks and up and down and, you know, like this next one, I’m playing a Ranger like a state park ranger for a few scenes in a film. And I really want my my cheekbones to to pop hard on this one because the last couple of films, I just felt a little bit fuller and, you know, just weird stuff like that.

Sharon Cline: [00:42:59] But that’s that’s your assessment, not someone’s told you to change.

Constance Payne: [00:43:03] No, nobody tells me to change. I do it because when I get this footage back with because I think I’m going to be doing a Southern accent in this one as well, like a southern hippie type of. And so I have a whole look and a whole different sound in frame. And so that’s just showing range and all different types of characters that I can play.

Sharon Cline: [00:43:26] Opens up potential.

Constance Payne: [00:43:27] Other, yeah, for people to see me different types of ways.

Sharon Cline: [00:43:30] What other accents do you do? Southern accent.

Constance Payne: [00:43:32] I can pretty much do anything. Honestly, if I listen to like I’ll Google on on YouTube and stuff like that and it’ll take a little bit of research and then, you know, I’ll start reading a book in that accent and like hitting each every word because that’s my trick on set when if I because you can’t just practice the script, you know, if you’re doing an accent, you can’t just read the script. You got to read the whole book. It could be a book about anything. It doesn’t matter.

Sharon Cline: [00:44:00] But you’re reading it in the accent.

Constance Payne: [00:44:01] You’re reading it in the accent, and you have to read it out loud. And that way when the script changes on set because it always fucking does, you’re you’re spending less time, you can just, you know, assimilate. Yeah, you’re just assimilate to it. You’re just, you’re already there.

Sharon Cline: [00:44:16] You can do a British accent. I’m terrible at a British accent.

Constance Payne: [00:44:20] Oh well I used to have an RV and I had to stay at senior living communities.

Speaker3: [00:44:30] And so I would call in my little old lady voice. Oh, my gosh, that’s crazy.

Constance Payne: [00:44:38] That’s a good one, right?

Sharon Cline: [00:44:39] A really good one. I could never do it. It sounds so good. I’m like, it gets even.

Constance Payne: [00:44:42] That’s just like off hint like if I if I focus and sit down, I could do it. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. It was not prepared for it, but I mean, shoot, I do. I mean, literally anything. I just got to listen to it and I get them.

Sharon Cline: [00:44:54] That’s a skill. That’s like a Meryl Streep skill. Yeah. You know, whereas she could do any accent and it sounds so authentic and normal, like. Like she lives this every day, but that’s kind of super chill. Yeah, exactly.

Constance Payne: [00:45:03] And it’s super chill because that’s another thing like not overthinking it.

Sharon Cline: [00:45:07] Oh, yeah. Well, that’s my problem.

Constance Payne: [00:45:08] Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, same thing in the cleanup. You know, if I’ve got somebody like brain and coagulated Blood, my I can’t really think about what I’m about touching. You know? I just got to. Just do it. Just do it.

Sharon Cline: [00:45:20] Just do it. But it’s sacred work, you know? It is sacred work.

Constance Payne: [00:45:24] It is. I mean, you’re dealing with the dead, you know, And like, I have a lot of respect for the dead. And, you know, I haven’t had any ghost experiences or anything like that and doing my job, which is very strange because when I lived in Daytona Beach in my first marriage, we lived in a haunted neighborhood. And yeah, I had like three, four different houses in the same neighborhood. Each and every one of them was haunted. It was kind of like every time we moved, like the there were more ghosts at the new place, but then the old ones would follow us. Yeah, it was crazy. And then it got to the point where it was like daily activity and it was insane. And then found a psychic. She did some. It was all through text message too. Really?

Speaker4: [00:46:05] I know it sounds like bullshit, right? And that was.

Constance Payne: [00:46:07] Like, this is garbage. And then days went by. Weeks went by, months went by. Never had an experience since then.

Sharon Cline: [00:46:14] Well, there’s so much I don’t understand out there. Yeah. You know of why things work the way they work and turn it on.

Constance Payne: [00:46:20] And turn it off like. And. And that was another thing. I was kind of scared to get into the forensic cleaning because that was a very terrifying experience in those houses. And, you know, just especially the unknown and hearing all these sounds and scary things.

Speaker4: [00:46:34] That’s why I was.

Sharon Cline: [00:46:35] Thinking it would be kind of spooky, But you’re like, it’s just when the animals come flying out of.

Speaker4: [00:46:39] Nowhere. Yeah, just the animals. I mean, after.

Constance Payne: [00:46:41] The first couple jobs, I was like, All right, nobody’s following me home, so this is cool.

Sharon Cline: [00:46:45] Shoe.

Constance Payne: [00:46:45] I think they know that. I respect them. You know that. That I’m trying to help out here. I don’t.

Sharon Cline: [00:46:51] Know. That’s an energy, you know, a respectful energy of sacred work. I think that’s the way I would look at it, too. And not everybody’s got the right disposition to do it. So I appreciate that. Like I was thinking how nice it is that I get to meet all these different business owners that do things that I could never do that are not in my wheelhouse or even thought about. But I really have a true respect for anybody that is following a dream that they have. And I think that’s so cool about you too, because you’ve got lots of different dreams that you’re following and are being successful in, in lots of ways. And I think What would advice would you give someone who is out there wanting to pursue a job or even getting into the. Acting field. What would you suggest for them?

Constance Payne: [00:47:34] Quit being a pussy.

Speaker4: [00:47:36] That’s our fearless formula. That’s my fearless formula. Because I’ve had.

Constance Payne: [00:47:40] So many people come after me for business advice, for regular business stuff, and then business advice for specifically being an actor. And I can talk to people for about two hours, kind of interview them, figure out what’s your dream, you know what I mean, and give them some breakdowns of, Oh, hey, you could do this. These are options. Da da da da da da da da da da. Two hours later, every single time. Sharon, You know what they say to me? They say, Well, what if I.

Speaker5: [00:48:06] Do all that and it doesn’t work out?

Sharon Cline: [00:48:08] I know.

Constance Payne: [00:48:09] And I’m like, Now I’m pissed because you wasted two hours of my time while I’m trying to help you out being kind. And now you want to have this loser mentality of you’re afraid to fail. Do you think I’ve always I’ve not been successful at everything. It’s been years in a lot of failure to get where I’m at and a lot of different.

Sharon Cline: [00:48:28] What makes you keep going?

Constance Payne: [00:48:29] Not being a pussy. I told you. I told.

Speaker4: [00:48:32] You. It’s really that simple. It feels like.

Sharon Cline: [00:48:35] It should be more complicated because really, people, including myself, I get in my own head and it’s just like, no, I get overwhelmed and I can’t face, I don’t know, not succeeding in some way my family or their excuses that I could come up with like 50 of them right now of why I can’t do.

Speaker4: [00:48:49] Something.

Constance Payne: [00:48:50] Well, a lot of family shame is a big thing that that leads a lot of people in their lives. And, you know, and that’s another big thing about being an actor is you literally have to not care what other people think or anything because you get caught in your head like that. You’re going to choke on camera. You know, if you’re like, Oh, God, was that okay? Was that you? Don’t you know what I mean? Like, you don’t need approval. You know, you just you just do what you do and approve of yourself and be like, all right, this is my big goal. I’m going to break this down into, all right, at the end of the year, I’m going to do this. And now let’s break this down into quarters and then let’s do, you know, monthlies and then be proud of yourself every time that you accomplish one of those. And then you’ll see the light at the end of time.

Sharon Cline: [00:49:32] Not overwhelming.

Constance Payne: [00:49:33] Yeah. When you break it down. When you break it down. Yeah. Everybody sees everything. All in this. This big mess. It’s all over the place. It’s all these thoughts and ideas and everything. And sometimes if you just like, get rid of all the bullshit and just focus on them, it’s like. Like building a house, you know? You don’t start putting the roof on first when you ain’t got no structure. But people.

Sharon Cline: [00:49:48] Want the roof, They want.

Speaker4: [00:49:49] It done. They want the yeah.

[00:49:50] They want to hurry up and done because it’s raining tomorrow. It’s raining tomorrow. Yeah. What are you going to do with all the roof.

Sharon Cline: [00:49:57] But that’s what people like the end result. But you know, I like that you’re talking about like the small things can be just as satisfying that you accomplished. It doesn’t have to be the roof, but it can be just that you have a plan.

Speaker4: [00:50:07] Yeah, exactly.

Sharon Cline: [00:50:08] Little things.

Constance Payne: [00:50:08] Yeah. Live in the tent, out back for a minute until you can save up for all the nails and the lumber.

Sharon Cline: [00:50:13] That feels so doable and, like, positive and accessible. You know, a little result is something that I can. I can grab on to and make that my goal. Like, if I did if I auditioned for ten auditions this week, well, that’s great. You know, that’s that’s what I wanted. Okay, well, then what’s supposed to happen will happen. You know, let go of the result. Interesting. These are all things like.

Constance Payne: [00:50:35] Obviously you want to book those roles just like everybody else auditioning for them. But the fact that they’re even looking at you and listening to you, that’s a big accomplishment right there.

Sharon Cline: [00:50:44] Right there. Statistics that show me how often people listen to my auditions, my reels, all of those things. And so or if I get shortlisted, which is like round two, all.

Speaker4: [00:50:53] Those things are.

Sharon Cline: [00:50:54] Fun. Yeah. So I get a real kick out of that.

Speaker4: [00:50:56] That’s good.

Sharon Cline: [00:50:57] So yeah, it can be very motivating and then it can also be demotivating because I’ll be like, Oh my gosh, Like I worked so hard on all of these and nobody liked any of them. And it’s like, Why am I in this business? But you know, when you get booked, then it’s like, Oh, well, this is why I’m in this.

Speaker4: [00:51:09] I’m a baby all the time. I’ll go like two.

Constance Payne: [00:51:11] Weeks and I don’t book anything as an actor. And then I’m like, Oh.

Speaker4: [00:51:14] I’m a loser. Nobody likes me. And then it’s like something.

Constance Payne: [00:51:17] Huge happens.

Speaker4: [00:51:17] And then you’re like, Oh, well, no, I’m not. Yeah, I’ve got like three big features.

Constance Payne: [00:51:20] I’m doing that. What am I even quit crying.

Speaker4: [00:51:24] Quit crying.

Sharon Cline: [00:51:25] All right, well, if someone wanted to get in touch with you, how can they do that?

Constance Payne: [00:51:29] Facebook is the best. Facebook would be the best way to get in contact with me. Constance Payne. Yes. And then also my website for forensic cleaning is Fresh start biocom. So if you need anything like that, let me know.

Sharon Cline: [00:51:45] I’ve had so much fun chatting with you. I really we could talk a very long time. Like I could see we have to have you have to come back.

Speaker4: [00:51:52] Of course.

Sharon Cline: [00:51:52] We’ll talk about your new projects, too, because there’s so many really fun, exciting things happening. But I think one of the best things about it is that you are truly authentically you. So what is yours was really meant to be yours, You know, it’s super cool. It’s super cool to watch and everybody listening. Thank you for tuning into Fearless formula. And again, this is Sharon Cline reminding you that with knowledge and understanding, we can all have our own fearless formula. Have a great day.