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Heartspoken Notes for Genuine Connection | Elizabeth Cottrell

August 13, 2025 by John Ray

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Heartspoken Notes for Genuine Connection with Elizabeth Cottrell (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 143)

In this episode of The Price and Value Journey with host John Ray, Elizabeth Cottrell shares how the simple act of writing a heartfelt note can create genuine connections, open up opportunities, and make a lasting impression in both business and life. Drawing from her book Heartspoken: How to Write Notes That Connect, Comfort, Encourage, and Inspire, Elizabeth explains how a single note she wrote to a grieving stranger became a turning point that revealed the profound power of thoughtful communication.

She describes how personal notes stand out in a noisy, digital world, offering a tangible expression of care that people often keep for years. The conversation explores the origins of her “Heartspoken” concept, the four essential connections that form its foundation, and how the practice has grown into a movement. Elizabeth shares practical tips for overcoming common hesitations, such as worries about handwriting, uncertainty about what to say, and fear of saying the wrong thing.

You will hear how to move beyond routine thank-you or sympathy notes and create meaningful, unexpected connections that strengthen relationships. Elizabeth also offers strategies for sustaining the habit, from batching notes to keeping a simple record of what you have sent, and explains why the generosity behind each note benefits the sender as much as the recipient.

As a special gift for you, Elizabeth is offering a free two-page PDF, 10 Powerful Prompts for Business Notes that Connect and Convert. It’s filled with ideas to help you move beyond the standard thank-you and craft messages that truly stand out. Follow this link to download your copy.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways You Can Use from This Episode

  • The personal story behind Heartspoken and how a single sympathy note revealed the deep, lasting impact of handwritten messages
  • Why Elizabeth sees personal notes as part of a broader “Heartspoken” movement built on four essential connections: with God, with self, with others, and with nature.
  • How to overcome common barriers such as poor handwriting, lack of confidence in what to say, and fear of saying the wrong thing
  • Ways to go beyond routine thank-you or sympathy notes to create surprising and meaningful points of connection in everyday life
  • How small, thoughtful acts of written encouragement can build trust, strengthen relationships, and open doors in both personal and business contexts.
  • Practical tips for sustaining a note-writing habit, including keeping a simple record, batching notes, and setting realistic goals
  • The mutual benefit of generosity in communication, where both sender and recipient gain value from the exchange

Topics Discussed in this Episode

HEARTSPOKEN: How to Write Notes that Connect, Comfort, Encourage, and Inspire by Elizabeth Cottrell00:00 Introduction and Guest Introduction
02:41 Elizabeth Cottrell’s Background and Book
04:10 The Power of Personal Notes
06:55 Heartspoken Movement and Its Impact
16:20 Overcoming Hesitations in Note Writing
26:54 Expressing Sympathy: Finding the Right Words
28:59 The Power of Empathy and Compassion
29:40 Heartspoken Notes: Hugs by Mail
30:29 Avoiding Common Pitfalls in Sympathy Notes
32:32 The Swipe File: Collecting Beautiful Phrases
33:30 Using AI to Enhance Your Writing
34:17 Notes as a Public Gratitude Journal
36:48 The Therapeutic Power of Helping Others
38:46 Keeping a Record of Your Correspondence
42:07 Setting and Achieving Note-Writing Goals
47:02 The Generosity Mindset in Business
48:44 Connecting with Elizabeth Cottrell
50:06 Final Thoughts and Special Offers

Elizabeth Cottrell

Elizabeth Cottrell
Elizabeth Cottrell

Elizabeth H. Cottrell—writer, award-winning author, and speaker—has long been a business and nonprofit leader in the Shenandoah Valley and the Commonwealth of Virginia. When she was elected to the board of trustees of First Bank/First National Corporation in 1992, she was the first female board member in its almost 100-year history, and since 2016, she has been its first female Board Chairman. Her book HEARTSPOKEN: How to Write Notes that Connect, Comfort, Encourage, and Inspire, published by Koehler Books in 2022, launched the #HeartspokenMovement and created a ripple effect among note writers and sales professionals.

Elizabeth’s circuitous career has taken her from published leprosy researcher to stay-at-home mother, to community activist and leader on nonprofit and corporate boards, to ham radio operator, to freelance writer/editor and blogger at Heartspoken.com.

Above all, she is a connector and encourager whose writing explores the four essential connections of the Heartspoken Life: with God, Self, Others, and Nature. Her expertise and passion for note writing in her 2022 book come at just the right time to touch a pandemic world desperately in search of connection. Elizabeth is the right person at the right time to help readers find their own heartspoken voice and learn to harness this powerful tool for nurturing their most precious relationships.

Elizabeth is an idea curator, sharing inspirational, interesting, and educational ideas from her own eclectic reading and harnessing them through her writing in pursuit of her own Heartspoken Life. She invites her readers along for the ride.

Website | LinkedIn | Amazon

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

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Tagged With: client relationships, client service, compassion, connections, Elizabeth Cottrell, empathy, handwritten notes, Heartspoken, Heartspoken life, Heartspoken notes, John Ray, personal notes, relationships, The Price and Value Journey

Thor Legvold on Nordic Leadership, Purpose, and Pricing

August 6, 2025 by John Ray

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Thor Legvold on Nordic Leadership, Purpose, and Pricing (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 141)

In this episode of The Price and Value Journey, Thor Legvold joins host John Ray to talk about how the way we lead ourselves, our clients, and our firms shapes how others understand our value. Drawing from the Nordic leadership model, Thor explains how values like trust, purpose, and shared responsibility are not soft concepts. They’re strategic levers that affect how we build businesses, lead people, and price our services.

The conversation underscores the close connection between pricing and values. When your firm is clear on its purpose and leads with integrity, pricing becomes less about what the market will bear and more about what your work is worth.

Topics covered include:

  • The core ideas behind Nordic leadership
  • Why purpose and values must inform business decisions
  • How solo and small-firm professionals can reset when they’ve burned out or hit a wall
  • Why empowerment matters, both internally and in client work
  • How to price with purpose, not apology

This episode is particularly aimed at professionals who struggle to balance their values with the need to charge appropriately for their work. It’s not a tradeoff; on the contrary, it’s a path forward.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways You Can Use from This Episode

  • Nordic leadership works. Values like empowerment and purpose drive real business results.
  • Purpose guides everything. It shapes decisions, culture, and how others perceive your value.
  • Feeling lost? Return to your values. Burnout or transition is a cue to recenter on what truly matters.
  • Empowerment means ownership. Don’t just assign tasks; delegate real responsibility.
  • Co-create with clients. Better outcomes come from collaboration, not prescriptions.
  • Purpose supports premium pricing. Clients pay more when they believe in your “why.”
  • Culture is your leadership in action. Your behavior sets the tone more than your policies.
  • Your legacy extends beyond visibility. Trust that your impact reaches further than you can see.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction and Welcome to The Price and Value Journey
00:09 Exploring Leadership and Value Perception
00:25 Guest Introduction: Tor Legvold
00:32 Understanding Nordic Leadership
03:08 Nordic Leadership Principles
07:33 Applying Nordic Leadership in the US
10:48 Purpose and Values in Professional Services
14:50 Recalculating: Navigating Career Transitions
19:41 Balancing Purpose and Practicality
23:07 Purpose-Driven Organizations and Integrity
29:36 The Power of Integrity in Business
30:29 Empowerment and Delegation in Nordic Leadership
34:53 Collaborative Client Relationships
37:14 Building Strong Company Culture
44:11 Values and Purpose-Driven Business
52:01 Balancing Premium Pricing with Purpose
55:09 Conclusion and Contact Information

Thor Legvold, Legvold Consulting

Thor Legvold, Legvold Consulting
Thor Legvold, Legvold Consulting

Thor Legvold empowers organizations to navigate leadership challenges, cross-cultural collaboration, and post-merger integration through proven Nordic leadership principles. With global expertise in organizational psychology, Thor ensures leadership alignment, cultural synergy, and long-term growth. Whether serving as an executive coach or leading full-scale integrations, he helps clients build resilient teams and drive effective outcomes in dynamic environments.

Legvold leads with integrity, collaboration, sustainability, and a global mindset. Thor’s work is grounded in trust, honesty, and respect for human dignity, empowering people and teams to achieve lasting impact. By embracing a systems-oriented approach, he designs solutions that honor interconnected ecosystems and prioritize balance and inclusivity. With a passion for cross-cultural engagement, Thor helps leaders and organizations innovate and thrive in a connected world.

In over twenty years of consulting for businesses and organizations, he’s had the opportunity to work across a wide range of industries, including tech, finance, entertainment, industrial/manufacturing, and retail, as well as the public sector. Thor has extensive experience successfully working with entrepreneurs and startups, family businesses, AI organizations and companies ranging from midsize to Fortune 500. Wherever people are involved, Thor has a proven track record of delivering value.

Website | LinkedIn

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: Culture, Delegation, empowerment, John Ray, Leadership, Legvold Consulting, Nordic leadership, premium pricing, pricing, professional services, purpose, purpose-driven, The Price and Value Journey, Thor Legvold, values

Why You’re Really Afraid to Raise Your Prices with John Ray

July 30, 2025 by John Ray

Why You're Really Afraid to Raise Your Prices with John Ray, on The Price and Value Journey podcast
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Why You’re Really Afraid to Raise Your Prices with John Ray (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 141)

Are you afraid to raise prices? You’re not alone.

Raising your prices isn’t just a financial move. It’s an emotional decision that can stir up fear, doubt, and second-guessing.

In this solo episode of The Price and Value Journey, John Ray explores the five hidden fears that often hold expert-service providers back from charging what their work is truly worth. Whether it’s fear of losing a client relationship, feeling pressure to be perfect, or anxiety about the economy, these concerns are real and often unspoken.

John shares how to move past those fears by focusing on what your clients actually value. He explains why your best pricing insight comes not from what you believe about your work, but from what your clients experience and are willing to pay for.

If raising your prices gives you that knot-in-the-stomach feeling, this episode is for you.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways You Can Use from This Episode

  • Fear of raising prices is rarely about money. It’s about identity, rejection, and self-worth.
  • Clients evaluate value, not personal worth. A “no” is not a judgment of you.
  • Perfectionism is a trap. Clients value responsiveness, clarity, and honesty more than flawlessness.
  • Cable news and clickbait headlines can distort your perspective. Trust your clients, not the media.
  • You can make thoughtful exceptions for certain clients without holding your whole business back.
  • The most valuable insights about your worth come from client conversations and feedback.
  • Clients often see more value in your work than you do. Your job is to listen and own it.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction to The Price and Value Journey and a Personal Anecdote
00:39 The Real Fear Behind Raising Prices
02:09 Hidden Fear #1: You’ll Lose the Relationship
03:29 Hidden Fear #2: You’ll Have to Be Perfect
04:34 Hidden Fear #3: You’ll Be Seen as Greedy or Full of Yourself
06:27 Hidden Fear #4: The Economy Is So Uncertain
08:13 Hidden Fear #5: You Know You Have Clients That Need Help
08:06 Gaining Clarity on Your Value
10:08 Conclusion and Call to Action

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: B2B pricing, changing your pricing mindset, clients, fear, John Ray, overcoming fear, pricing, professional services, The Price and Value Journey, value

Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh

July 23, 2025 by John Ray

Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh, on The Price and Value Journey podcast with host John Ray
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Why Value Pricing Still Feels Hard with Alastair Dryburgh (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 140)

Value pricing sounds great in theory. So why does it often fall flat in practice?

In this episode of The Price and Value Journey, pricing strategist and author Alastair Dryburgh joins host John Ray to explore the gap between creating value and getting paid for it. Many professionals know they should price based on results, not time. But when it comes to presenting the proposal, the conversation often unravels.

Alastair shares what’s missing from traditional value pricing advice. He explains how to help clients recognize your impact, why your most valuable work often feels deceptively simple to you (and why that’s the “paradox of genius”), and how to position yourself so competitors fade into the background. He also offers a clear perspective on how AI is reshaping pricing strategy and why clinging to hourly billing can put your business at risk.

This is a practical and honest conversation for professionals who want to price with more confidence and conviction.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

  • Why value pricing often breaks down in the sales process
  • How to help clients see and believe in your value
  • The paradox of genius and the implications of why your best work feels like “nothing”
  • Why your pricing should reflect outcomes, not effort
  • How naming your process helps you stand apart from competitors
  • Why AI makes time-based billing a risky long-term strategy

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:21 Alistair’s Formative Experience in Pricing
04:35 Transition to Independent Consulting
05:21 Challenges and Misconceptions in Value-Based Pricing
17:10 The Importance of Value Capture
24:42 Parallels Between Software and Professional Services
27:51 The Paradox of Genius
30:15 Client Perception and Behavioral Economics
32:03 Shaping Client Perception
35:30 The Three Pillars of Intelligent Pricing
35:58 Eliminating the Competition
42:01 The Impact of AI on Value Pricing
51:23 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Alastair Dryburgh

Alastair Dryburgh
Alastair Dryburgh

Alastair Dryburgh is a pricing consultant and author known for helping creative agencies, consultants, and professional service firms adopt value-based pricing strategies. With a background as a finance and commercial director, he brings deep expertise in aligning pricing with the actual value delivered rather than relying on traditional time-based billing. He has written extensively on the subject, including his recent book, Pricing Genius: Getting Paid Properly for Ideas and Advice in the Era of AI, offering practical insights into how professionals can better position and price their expertise in a rapidly evolving landscape.

Beyond consulting, Dryburgh is a regular contributor to publications like Forbes and Management Today, and is often featured as a speaker at international conferences. His work emphasizes differentiation, pricing psychology, and the impact of AI on the knowledge economy. He is also known for mentoring through organizations like the Institute of Chartered Accountants and the Institute of Directors, helping leaders unlock growth by reframing how they think about pricing and value creation.

Website | LinkedIn

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset®, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: AI, Alastair Dryburgh, behavioral economics, client perception, intelligent pricing, John Ray, professional services, The Price and Value Journey, value pricing

100 Proven Ways to Acquire and Keep Clients for Life with Richard Weylman

July 16, 2025 by John Ray

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100 Proven Ways to Acquire and Keep Clients for Life with Richard Weylman (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 139)

In this compelling episode of The Price and Value Journey, host John Ray interviews Richard Weylman, international bestselling author of 100 Proven Ways to Acquire and Keep Clients for Life. Despite being orphaned at age 6 and living in 19 foster homes, Richard became an award-winning sales leader at Rolls Royce and helped grow the Robb Report from inception to a record liquidity event.

Richard shares powerful insights on building lasting client relationships during what he calls “the great reevaluation,” a time when 25% of people are switching service providers because they feel taken for granted. Learn why satisfied clients aren’t enough anymore, how small word changes can transform your business, and practical tactics for turning clients into loyal advocates through personalized experiences.

Key topics include transforming your CRM into a CXM (Customer Experience Management system), the power of empathetic communication, why you should send thank-you notes for rejections, and how to create remarkable experiences that generate word-of-mouth referrals. Richard also reveals the one question he wishes he’d get asked more often and shares real-world examples from companies like Chewy, Bergdorf Goodman, and his own consulting practice.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

  • “The Great Reevaluation”: 25% of people are switching service providers because they feel taken for granted, creating opportunities for relationship-focused professionals.
  • Satisfied ≠ Loyal: Satisfied customers are “loyal neutral,” with 20–30% willing to leave for better options. Therefore, you need delighted advocates.
  • Words Matter: Simple changes like “feel welcome to call” instead of “feel free to call” create emotional connections and set you apart.
  • Transform Your CRM: Convert your Customer Relationship Management system into a Customer Experience Management (CXM) system with personal details about clients’ interests and preferences.
  • Thank You for “No”: Send gracious thank-you notes when prospects reject you. It positions you for future opportunities when timing improves.
  • Personalize Everything: Use client data to create tailored experiences, from birthday reminders to interest-based invitations and communications.
  • Focus on “How”: People don’t implement advice because they’re not told HOW. Provide specific, actionable steps rather than just concepts.
  • Build Remarkable Experiences: Create experiences worth talking about. This drives word-of-mouth marketing more effectively than traditional advertising.
  • The Power of Stories: Everyone has a story. Ask about it, listen to it, and remember it to build deeper emotional connections.
  • Relationship Marketing: In an AI-driven world, the human touch becomes even more valuable. Use technology to enhance, not replace, personal relationships.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction to Richard Weylman
00:50 Richard’s Early Life and Epiphany
07:52 The Great Reevaluation in Professional Services
11:56 Building Emotional Connections with Clients
18:31 The Power of Words in Client Relationships
25:18 From Satisfied Clients to Loyal Advocates
31:53 The Donut Story
32:44 Building Client Advocacy
33:14 The Bergdorf Goodman Experience
36:50 Transforming CRM to CXM
41:54 The Power of Personalized Marketing
49:15 The Importance of Implementation
56:14 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Richard Weylman

Richard Weylman
Richard Weylman

Orphaned at age 6, Richard Weylman lived in nineteen foster homes and attended eleven different schools. Rather than becoming a victim of those circumstances he overcame them and has had remarkable business success, including going from being an award-winning general sales manager of Rolls Royce to heading sales and marketing for The Robb Report, A Magazine for the Luxury Lifestyle, from its inception until its record liquidity event.

A Hall of Fame-inducted keynote speaker, Richard has also been inducted into the Customer Experience Hall of Fame for his legendary work helping brands engage with their customers and retain them.

Richard is the author of three international bestsellers, the latest of which, 100 Proven Ways to Acquire and Keep Clients for Life, was the #1 New Release in Marketing and Consumer Behavior and #1 in Customer Relations on Amazon. The book was also been selected by Forbes editor Shep Hyken as a Top Ten Business Book for 2024, and was named the Outstanding Work of Literature award for 2024 by Bookpal. It is available on Amazon or at your favorite bookstore.

Finally, Richard is a Horatio Alger nominee for his philanthropic work on behalf of orphans and widows.

Website | LinkedIn

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset™, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: Bergdorf Goodman, client advocacy, client relationships, client service, customer service, emotional connections, excellence in customer service, John Ray, marketing professional services, personalized marketing, professional services, Richard Weylman, Rolls Royce, The Price and Value Journey, The Robb Report

Why Charging Premium Fees is Actually a Service to Your Clients, with Criminal Attorney Joshua Baron

July 9, 2025 by John Ray

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Why Charging Premium Fees is Actually a Service to Your Clients, with Criminal Attorney Joshua Baron (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 138)

In this second part of a compelling conversation, host John Ray continues his deep dive with criminal defense attorney Joshua Baron, exploring the life-changing effects of charging premium fees and the philosophy behind building a service-based practice.

Josh reveals how a single 45-minute conversation with a business consultant led him to triple his prices and why most of his clients said yes. This episode unpacks the psychology behind pricing decisions, the importance of aligning your client experience with your fees, and how premium pricing actually serves both attorney and client better.

Beyond pricing strategy, Josh shares his unique approach to client access (including giving out his personal cell phone number), his philosophy on when to work for free versus when to charge premium rates, and how his deeply held beliefs about service and purpose drive his business decisions.

Whether you’re struggling with pricing confidence, wondering how to justify premium fees, or seeking to understand the relationship between pricing and client treatment, this episode provides both tactical strategies and a philosophical framework for building a sustainable, values-driven practice.

If you haven’t heard the first part of John’s interview with Josh, please follow this link

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

  • Test pricing changes with pilot programs – Don’t overhaul everything at once; experiment with a subset of cases to build confidence and gather data.
  • Focus on what you’re uniquely good at – Narrow your offerings dramatically rather than trying to serve everyone; Josh went from thirty practice areas to essentially two.
  • Have honest value conversations with clients – Help clients articulate whether the case is truly important to them rather than trying to convince them it should be.
  • Premium pricing requires premium experience alignment – You can’t charge high fees while delivering a discount experience; everything must align.
  • If clients don’t treat you well, examine your pricing – Low prices communicate that you see yourself as low-value, which affects how clients interact with you.
  • Personal accessibility can reduce overall contact – Giving clients his cell phone number actually decreased calls because they felt secure knowing they could reach him.
  • Your day job enables your mission, it doesn’t have to be your mission – Charging sustainable rates allows you to pursue your deeper purpose without financial stress.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction and Guest Overview
01:34 Recap of Part One
02:00 Joshua Baron’s Pricing Journey Begins
04:04 The Impact of Pricing Changes
08:08 Client Value and Case Selection
10:30 Understanding Client Value
16:53 Creative Solutions in Legal Practice
20:37 Premium Legal Fees: A Service to All
22:45 Balancing Work and Life as a Lawyer
23:35 The Importance of Pricing and Client Treatment
25:13 Setting Boundaries with Clients
26:09 The Value of Accessibility and Client Communication
30:16 Philosophy Behind Legal Practice
34:41 Pricing and the Mindset of Service
42:42 The Importance of Networking and Relationships
46:15 Final Thoughts and Contact Information

Joshua Baron

Joshua Baron
Joshua Baron

Joshua Baron is a criminal defense attorney and the founder of SB Legal, based in Utah. He graduated summa cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in History from Cal Poly, Pomona, at age 18, then served an LDS mission in Viña del Mar, Chile, where he became fluent in Spanish. In 2007, he earned his J.D. cum laude from Brigham Young University’s J. Reuben Clark Law School, serving as Executive Editor of the Journal of Public Law and Associate Editor of the Education Law Journal. After law school, Baron began his career as a civil litigator in Park City, representing developers and real estate companies. Seeking more trial experience, he joined the Salt Lake City Prosecutor’s Office in 2008, handling over 1,500 criminal cases per year and leading more than thirty jury trials.

In 2009, Baron co-founded Sharifi & Baron, PLLC, which later became SB Legal. He has since represented hundreds of clients in nearly every court in Utah, covering a wide range of criminal and immigration matters. Baron is licensed to practice before both federal and state courts in Utah. His practice areas include criminal defense—such as violent crimes, drug offenses, white-collar crimes, domestic violence, and sex crimes—and immigration law, including deportation defense and appeals. He has achieved not guilty verdicts and dismissals in serious criminal cases, including aggravated burglary, sexual assault, and drug distribution.

Baron is recognized for his professionalism, client-focused approach, and responsiveness. He has been selected as a Super Lawyer by Mountain States Super Lawyers from 2020 to 2025 and previously as a Rising Star. He has also been named a Top Lawyer by the Global Directory of Who’s Who and included in Utah Business Magazine’s Utah Legal Elite.

In addition to his legal practice, Baron is an author and educator, having written books such as Criminal Defense Referrals and The Business of Criminal Law, and taught criminal law and procedure as adjunct faculty at Ensign College.

Website | LinkedIn

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 880 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset™, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: charging premium fees, client communication, criminal defense attorney, criminal defense lawyer, John Ray, Joshua Baron, networking, pricing, pricing strategy, purpose, raising prices, relationships, SB Legal, setting boundaries, The Price and Value Journey

Ditching Google Ads: Criminal Attorney Joshua Baron’s Referral Practice Revolution

July 2, 2025 by John Ray

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Ditching Google Ads: Criminal Attorney Joshua Baron’s Referral Practice Revolution (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 137)

In this compelling first part of a two-part series, host John Ray sits down with Joshua Baron, founding partner of SB Legal and author of The Business of Criminal Law and Criminal Defense Referrals. Josh shares his remarkable transformation from a high-volume, Google Ads-dependent practice to a thriving referral-based firm that prioritizes client relationships and sustainable growth.

This conversation reveals the hidden costs of digital marketing dependency and explores how professional service providers can build meaningful, profitable practices through authentic relationship-building rather than paid advertising. Josh’s journey from spending $35,000 a month on Google Ads to eliminating them entirely contains important lessons for any professional looking to create a more sustainable and fulfilling practice.

Whether you’re a lawyer, consultant, accountant, coach, or fractional executive, this episode offers practical advice about building authority, understanding what clients truly want, and creating referral systems that work naturally with your personality rather than against it.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

  • Google Ads create “golden handcuffs.” They’re expensive, create cash flow problems for smaller firms, and become scary to turn off once you’re dependent on them
  • Clients don’t want lawyers; they want relief. People hire professionals when stress and anxiety spike, not because they love having advisors
  • Ask “why now?” to uncover real motivations. Understanding the trigger that made them call today (vs. six months ago) reveals what they’re truly buying
  • You don’t need to ask for referrals. Other professionals are willing to refer work that they prefer not to handle. You’re doing them a favor by accepting it
  • Match relationship-building to your personality. Find your “love language” for professional relationships (words, time, gifts, service) and stick with what energizes you
  • Provide clients with a “draft” rather than posing open-ended questions. Reduce their cognitive load by sharing what most people in their situation want, then let them edit it
  • Regular post-consultation reflection improves results. Professional services exist in “wicked learning environments” where deliberate reflection is key to improvement

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction to The Price and Value Journey
00:12 Joshua Baron: Background and Firm Overview
02:24 The Shift from Google Ads to Referral-Based Practice
04:52 Challenges and Benefits of Referral-Based Practice
09:39 Transforming Client Experience and Building Relationships
15:26 Philosophy on Pricing and Professional Growth
18:47 Effective Referral Strategies and Personal Insights
25:26 The Power of Relationship Building
26:25 Finding Your Unique Networking Style
26:47 The Importance of Authenticity in Networking
29:13 Understanding Client Needs and Building Trust
45:07 The Role of Reflection in Professional Growth
49:43 Conclusion and Thanks to Joshua Baron

Joshua Baron

Joshua Baron
Joshua Baron

Joshua Baron is a criminal defense attorney and the founder of SB Legal, based in Utah. He graduated summa cum laude with a Bachelor of Arts in History from Cal Poly, Pomona at age 18, then served an LDS mission in Viña del Mar, Chile, where he became fluent in Spanish. In 2007, he earned his J.D. cum laude from Brigham Young University’s J. Reuben Clark Law School, serving as Executive Editor of the Journal of Public Law and Associate Editor of the Education Law Journal. After law school, Baron began his career as a civil litigator in Park City, representing developers and real estate companies. Seeking more trial experience, he joined the Salt Lake City Prosecutor’s Office in 2008, handling over 1,500 criminal cases per year and leading more than thirty jury trials.

In 2009, Baron co-founded Sharifi & Baron, PLLC, which later became SB Legal. He has since represented hundreds of clients in nearly every court in Utah, covering a wide range of criminal and immigration matters. Baron is licensed to practice before both federal and state courts in Utah. His practice areas include criminal defense—such as violent crimes, drug offenses, white-collar crimes, domestic violence, and sex crimes—and immigration law, including deportation defense and appeals. He has achieved not guilty verdicts and dismissals in serious criminal cases, including aggravated burglary, sexual assault, and drug distribution.

Baron is recognized for his professionalism, client-focused approach, and responsiveness. He has been selected as a Super Lawyer by Mountain States Super Lawyers from 2020 to 2025 and previously as a Rising Star. He has also been named a Top Lawyer by the Global Directory of Who’s Who and included in Utah Business Magazine’s Utah Legal Elite.

In addition to his legal practice, Baron is an author and educator, having written books such as Criminal Defense Referrals and The Business of Criminal Law, and taught criminal law and procedure as adjunct faculty at Ensign College.

Website | LinkedIn

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 870 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset™, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: attorney, building trust, Criminal Defense, criminal defense attorney, criminal defense lawyer, google ads, John Ray, Joshua Baron, networking, pricing, referral-based practice, referrals, SB Legal, The Price and Value Journey

Build Authority and Clients Through Podcast Guesting, with Noémi Beres, Podcast Connections

June 11, 2025 by John Ray

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Build Authority and Clients Through Podcast Guesting, with Noémi Beres, Podcast Connections (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 136)

Join host John Ray on The Price and Value Journey as he speaks with Noémi Beres, co-owner of Podcast Connections booking agency, about the powerful strategy of podcast guesting for service professionals.

Discover why podcast guesting is one of the most effective ways to build authority, deepen relationships, and earn trust with your target audience. Noemi shares her expertise on how entrepreneurs and business owners can leverage podcast interviews to create evergreen content, expand their reach, and grow their businesses.

In this episode, you’ll discover why podcast guesting is more effective than traditional advertising, how to prepare for successful podcast interviews, and the essential elements needed before you start guesting. Noemi also shares strategies for repurposing podcast content across multiple platforms, building authentic relationships with podcast hosts, and becoming the type of guest that hosts recommend to others. You’ll also learn when and how to work with a podcast booking agency, as well as the common mistakes that sabotage podcast guesting success.

Whether you’re new to podcast guesting or looking to improve your strategy, this episode offers practical advice about leveraging this powerful marketing tool.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

Podcast Guesting Creates Evergreen Content – Unlike paid ads that disappear, podcast interviews become permanent content you can repurpose across multiple platforms, social media, blog posts, video clips, and more.

Start Small and Build Progressively – Don’t aim for top-tier shows immediately. Begin with smaller podcasts to gain experience and build confidence before approaching larger shows.

Preparation is Essential – Before starting your podcast guesting journey, ensure you have a compelling 50-100 word bio, clear talking points and topics, a concise personal story (3 minutes max), and research on the host and show format.

Provide Value, Not Sales Pitches – Treat podcast interviews like entering someone’s living room, not a sales presentation. Focus on sharing knowledge and insights rather than promoting your services.

Show Appreciation and Build Relationships – Always send thank-you notes, share the episode on social media, tag the host, and look for ways to continue the relationship beyond the interview.

Consistency is Key – Podcast guesting requires patience and persistence. Plan for at least 2 interviews per month, consistently rather than sporadic appearances.

Research Potential Shows Carefully – Listen to episodes, understand the host’s style, and ensure the show aligns with your brand and message before agreeing to appear.

Topics Discussed in this Episode

00:00 Introduction to The Price and Value Journey
00:43 Meet Noémi Beres: Podcast Booking Expert
02:40 Noémi’s Journey: From Hungary to Podcast Booking
04:55 The Importance of Building Relationships
07:39 Why Podcast Guesting is Effective
09:34 Maximizing Podcast Content
16:50 Preparing for Podcast Guesting
25:53 The Art of Storytelling in Podcasts
28:54 The Importance of Being a Recommended Podcast Guest
31:26 Building Relationships and Showing Appreciation
34:34 Hiring a Podcasting Agency: When and Why
38:22 Characteristics of a Good Podcast Guesting Agency
44:43 Podcast Guesting vs. Hosting Your Own Podcast
47:02 Final Thoughts and Success Stories

Noémi Beres, Podcast Connections

Noémi Beres, Podcast Connections
Noémi Beres, Podcast Connections

Noémi Beres is the Co-Owner of the Podcast Connections podcast booking agency.

She helps entrepreneurs and business owners enrich their lives through connections, sharing their knowledge, and connecting them to quality podcast shows. In addition, Noemi is dedicated to helping experts grow their businesses with interviews.

She started working in online marketing in 2007. Noémi has a Master’s Degree in Danish Literature and Language; she is a linguist, content creator, and “master organizer.” In her free time, she loves making hand-sewn collages on canvas and playing on her hang and frame drum. She is also a walker.

Website | LinkedIn | Instagram

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 870 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset™, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: interview training, Interviews, John Ray, marketing, Noémi Beres, podcast booking, podcast booking agency, Podcast Connections, podcast guesting, podcast hosting, podcasting, storytelling, The Price and Value Journey

How Purpose Builds Value Confidence, with Shane Jackson

June 4, 2025 by John Ray

How Purpose Builds Value Confidence, with Shane Jackson, on The Price and Value Journey podcast
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How Purpose Builds Value Confidence, with Shane Jackson (The Price and Value Journey, Episode 135)

In this episode of The Price and Value Journey, host John Ray shares a powerful conversation with Shane Jackson, leader of Jackson Healthcare and author of This Is the Thing: About Life, Joy and Owning Your Purpose. They explore the often-overlooked connection between understanding your personal purpose and being able to confidently communicate your professional value.

Shane reveals why the professionals who struggle most with confidence in their value are often those who haven’t done the deeper work of understanding what drives them and why their work matters. Through personal stories and practical frameworks, he shows how clarity about your purpose becomes the foundation for confident client conversations.

John and Shane dive into redefining purpose as something practical rather than mystical, the power of seeing your work as creating ripples of impact, and Shane’s “pebble in your shoe” technique for staying intentional about how you show up professionally. Whether you are struggling to articulate your value proposition or feeling stuck in value and pricing conversations, this episode offers insights that go far beyond typical business advice.

This conversation originally aired on North Fulton Business Radio, but the insights are so relevant to The Price and Value Journey that John wanted to share them here.

The Price and Value Journey is presented by John Ray and produced by North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of the Business RadioX® podcast network.

Key Takeaways from this Episode

Purpose drives confidence – Service providers who struggle with value conversations often lack clarity about their own purpose and the unique value they bring

Purpose is practical, not mystical – Purpose is simply “the result you want from all the decisions you make in life.” It’s about how you want to experience your work

Purpose evolves and that’s healthy – Embrace that your sense of purpose will change over time as you grow and your circumstances change

Focus on impact, not memory – True legacy comes from the ripples you create through impacting others, not from being remembered

You’re already positioned to create value – Before seeking new opportunities, recognize the influence and impact potential in your current role and relationships

Small intentional changes compound – Use “pebbles in your shoe,” simple triggers that prompt you to ask, “Is this aligned with how I want to experience my work?”

Community amplifies purpose – Relationships and networks aren’t just business tools. They’re essential for discovering and living out your purpose

Topics Discussed in this Episode

John Ray with Shane Jackson
John Ray with Shane Jackson

00:00 Introduction to The Price and Value Journey
00:05 The Importance of Personal Purpose in Professional Services
00:22 Introducing Shane Jackson and His New Book
00:51 The Connection Between Personal Purpose and Professional Value
01:25 Insights from Shane Jackson on Purpose and Value
01:54 Rebroadcast from North Fulton Business Radio
02:28 Shane Jackson’s Background and Jackson Healthcare
03:56 Jackson Healthcare’s Role During the Pandemic
05:43 Discussing Shane Jackson’s New Book
08:19 The Concept of Purpose and Its Practical Application
14:11 The Evolving Nature of Purpose
16:45 The Journey of Purpose and Joy
19:09 Legacy and Family Lessons
19:54 The Futility of Building a Legacy
21:05 Impact Over Remembrance
22:02 Family Legacies: A Tale of Two Histories
25:06 Creating Ripples: The Power of Small Actions
25:41 Purpose and Leadership
28:53 The Importance of Community and Relationships
34:32 Practical Daily Changes for a Purposeful Life
38:17 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Shane Jackson, President, Jackson Healthcare, and Author of This Is the Thing: About Life, Joy, and Owning Your Purpose

Share Jackson
Shane Jackson

Shane Jackson is President of Jackson Healthcare, the parent company of more than 20 healthcare workforce services businesses that serve over 20 million patients each year. Championing its mission of improving the delivery of patient care and the lives of everyone it touches, he has led the organization through growth that has landed it on the Forbes® list of America’s Largest Private Companies; placement on the 100 Best Companies to Work For® and Best Workplaces in Health Care™ lists by Fortune®; a spot on the Companies that Care list by PEOPLE®; and nearly a decade of Great Place To Work® certification.

Shane is the author of two books: This Is the Thing: About Life, Joy, and Owning Your Purpose (2025) and Fostering Culture: A Leader’s Guide to Purposefully Shaping Culture (originally published in 2018 with a second edition in 2024). He has written for Fast Company and Forbes on the topics of leadership, workplace culture, and living and leading with intention. He also publishes insights on his own platform and is a frequent keynote speaker at conferences and events across the country.

In addition to the business he leads at Jackson Healthcare, Shane champions the organization’s LoveLifts community impact platform that focuses on improving access to healthcare and the well-being of young people. Under his leadership, LoveLifts partners with more than 450 nonprofit organizations annually, making a positive impact in local and global communities.

In 2024, Shane was named an Ernst & Young Entrepreneur Of The Year® National finalist, in addition to being selected as a winner in the program’s Southeast region. He also has been recognized multiple years on Staffing Industry Analysts’ Staffing 100, a list of the top North American leaders shaping the industry and influencing the workforce solutions ecosystem.

Shane serves on the boards of 3DE and King’s Ridge Christian School and is vice chair of the leader-led goBeyondProfit business initiative that promotes the belief that giving back is good for business. He earned an MBA from Emory University and a Bachelor of Business Administration degree from Harding University.

Website | LinkedIn

About The Price and Value Journey Podcast

The Price and Value Journey is a show for expert-service professionals who want more than formulas and quick fixes. If you’re a solo or small-firm provider—consultant, coach, attorney, CPA, or fractional executive—you know the real work of building a practice goes far beyond pricing. It’s about finding clarity, showing up with confidence, and learning how to express the full value of what you do in ways that clients understand and appreciate.

The Price and Value Journey Podcast with host John RayHosted by John Ray, business advisor and author of The Generosity Mindset, this podcast explores the deeper journey behind running a services business: how you think about your work, how you relate to clients, and how you sustain a business that’s not only profitable but deeply fulfilling. Yes, we talk pricing, but we also talk mindset, business development, trust, empathy, positioning, and all the intangible ingredients that make a practice thrive.

With solo episodes and conversations featuring thoughtful guests, The Price and Value Journey is a companion for professionals who are building something meaningful. Produced in partnership with North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®, the podcast is accessible on all major podcast platforms. The complete show archive is here.

John Ray, Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey
John Ray, Author of The Generosity Mindset and Host of The Price and Value Journey

John Ray is the host of The Price and Value Journey.

John owns Ray Business Advisors, a business advisory practice. John’s services include business coaching and advisory work, as well as advising solopreneurs and small professional services firms on their pricing. John is passionate about the power of pricing for business owners, as changing pricing is the fastest way to change the profitability of a business. His clients are professionals who are selling their expertise, such as attorneys, CPAs, accountants and bookkeepers, consultants, coaches, marketing professionals, and other professional services practitioners.

In his other business, John is a podcast show host, strategist, and the owner of North Fulton Business Radio, LLC, an affiliate of Business RadioX®. John and his team work with B2B professionals to create and conduct their podcast using The Generosity Mindset® Method: building and deepening relationships in a non-salesy way that translates into revenue for their business.

John is also the host of North Fulton Business Radio. With over 850 shows and having featured over 1,300 guests, North Fulton Business Radio is the longest-running podcast in the North Fulton area, covering business in its region like no one else.

John’s book, The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices

The Generosity Mindset, by John RayJohn is the #1 national best-selling author of The Generosity Mindset: A Journey to Business Success by Raising Your Confidence, Value, and Prices.

If you are a professional services provider, your goal is to do transformative work for clients you love working with and get paid commensurate with the value you deliver to them. While negative mindsets can inhibit your growth, adopting a different mindset, The Generosity Mindset™, can replace those self-limiting beliefs. The Generosity Mindset enables you to diagnose and communicate the value you deliver to clients and, in turn, more effectively price to receive a portion of that value.

Whether you’re a consultant, coach, marketing or branding professional, business advisor, attorney, CPA, or work in virtually any other professional services discipline, your content and technical expertise are not proprietary. What’s unique, though, is your experience and how you synthesize and deliver your knowledge. What’s special is your demeanor or the way you deal with your best-fit clients. What’s invaluable is how you deliver outstanding value by guiding people through massive changes in their personal lives and in their businesses that bring them to a place they never thought possible.

Your combination of these elements is unique in your industry. There lies your value, but it’s not the value you see. It’s the value your best-fit customers see in you.

If pricing your value feels uncomfortable or unfamiliar to you, this book will teach you why putting a price on the value your clients perceive and identify serves both them and you, and you’ll learn the factors involved in getting your price right.

The book is available at all major physical and online book retailers worldwide. Follow this link for further details.

Connect with John Ray:

Website | LinkedIn | Twitter

Business RadioX®:  LinkedIn | Twitter | Facebook | Instagram

Tagged With: building a legacy, confidence, Jackson Healthcare, John Ray, joy, legacy, professional value, purpose, purpose and value, purposeful life, Shane Jackson, The Price and Value Journey, value

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